"There is no spirit world, no afterlife, no judgement to come."
Don´t take this wrong, but I´m curious who you KNOW this. Have you ever had an OBE? According to your statement, probably not.
jesus said: .
verily i say unto you, all sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: but he that shall blaspheme against the holy ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
(mark 3:28-29).
"There is no spirit world, no afterlife, no judgement to come."
Don´t take this wrong, but I´m curious who you KNOW this. Have you ever had an OBE? According to your statement, probably not.
jw should put humility high on their list.
therefore i will let them do this test after a small talk:.
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Hortensia, that can be the case.
LisaRose, I see what you mean. There is no evidence of a afterlife, but there is no evidence to the opposite either. About the odds, even the most beautiful logical statement can be wrong.
What about this statement: I KNOW that UKU (out of body experience) exist. The experience that my mind leave my physical body when it is sleeping, visit locations with consciousness. The experience when I, with extraordinary awareness, looked back on my own psycial body asleep in the bed, it´s unforgetable. I have proven this for myself many times. I don´t care and I don´t even want people to believe or desbelieve me. I thought I´m awake here, but I´m not, far from. I have experienced moments where I´m much more aware then I´m here in this physical world, but I cannot prove it for others. Only for myself. The funny thing when it comes to the part when someone shall explain the phenomena, the diffrent explanations from the so called "experts" show me with their answers that they have no idea of how this kind of experience really are. But again, I cannot prove anything to anyone. But what I have learnt is that there are more behind what we normally experience in this physical world. This experience is an experience, not an opinion. Again, I have only proven it for myself.
Sorry if I have bored anyone with my foolish writing
jw should put humility high on their list.
therefore i will let them do this test after a small talk:.
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If I never shall know anything, that I have no idea about. Maybe you have right, maybe not. I cannot answer correctly because I don´t know.
From what I have seen on tv, peoples experiences in the space and what I have seen with my own eyes when I have looked through a window high up in an airplane, I presume that the earth is not flat, but I can never be 100% sure.
jw should put humility high on their list.
therefore i will let them do this test after a small talk:.
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Does it matter if it´s a 50/50 question or not? Is the question about the possibility of existing intelligent life on other planets in the universe a 50/50 case? Or is it more than 50%? Or less? How much more or how much less?
I have asked a few persons (among them a close relative of mine) claiming they have had NDE (near death experiences). They say they KNOW that there is an afterlife (much more real than this life) but they can only prove it for themselves. I don´t claim they have right nor that they have wrong. But what I have experienced is that when I started to believe in something, I mentally blocked myself. If I believe in an afterlife or believe that an afterlife doesn´t exist, I indirect mean that people who don´t share my point of view, have wrong. For me, that is not what humility is about.
Excuse me for putting up another quote here: "If you stay open and aware, free from opinions, no one and nothing can ever mislead you"
jw should put humility high on their list.
therefore i will let them do this test after a small talk:.
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Thanks for the reply Cofty.
A skeptic person with an opened mind, lovely. Unfortunally I have notised that most of the people I know are believers or believing skeptics. For example they either believe in God OR don´t believe in God in the way that they believe that God doesn´t exist.
There are probably many things we can never prove to be real in this physical world, but it doesn´t mean they don´t exist. How can we prove for a man born blind that we can see colours? And how can we accurately describe a certain colour for him?
jw should put humility high on their list.
therefore i will let them do this test after a small talk:.
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Hi Return Of Parakeet, i really like the Taost parable. Thanks for sharing
jw should put humility high on their list.
therefore i will let them do this test after a small talk:.
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Hi everyone.
thanks for all the replies
I admit that I have been a believer before. Because of that I really know how it is and how it feels to be a believer, believe me (or not)!
I have experienced how a belief had blinded me. Now I only try to live as humble i can. I must confess that humility for me is an enigma.
A reply from the statement above: "A person who does not believe the extraordinary claim that humans survive death is healthy sceptic"
I understand what you mean. The real question is; does this person believe that we don´t survive death or is he opened for whatever the truth behind it may be? Some people claim they remember past lifes through hypnosis or meditation, others believe they are wrong. We have no proof, we have nothing.
Personally i like the qoute of W. Shakespeare: "A fool think himself to be wise, but a wise man know himself to be a fool"
jw should put humility high on their list.
therefore i will let them do this test after a small talk:.
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""It is not a lack of humility to say "No I don't believe humans have more than one life." It is simply healthy skepticism that requires evidence for extraordinary claims.""
So you mean that a person who believes that we have only one life has an healthy scepticism? What about another person who believes that we have many lifes to live? Both are believers. Thats it.
""Faux humility that claims nothing can be known is self-defeating.""
I agree. This could be question number 4:
Do you believe that nothing can be known?
a) Yes, I believe so.
b) No, I believe not.
c) Maybe, maybe not. I stay open for whatever the truth may be.
jw should put humility high on their list.
therefore i will let them do this test after a small talk:.
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JW should put humility high on their list. Therefore I will let them do this test after a small talk:
if you are non religious, do you still feel those with religion show a higher level of humility than others in society?.
on the face of it, i feel most would answer in the affirmative.. but breaking it down, i find it harder and harder to accept.
in fact, i'd call it the opposite of humility.
I can´t see how it´s possible to be a believer and stay humble and opened-minded at the same time.
This test can be very interesting: